Types of drafts in the Russian troops. Types of checkers in the Russian troops Checker dragoon officer sample 1881

The blade is of steel, slight curvature, with one wide valley or two narrow lobes at the butt and a wide lob. The combat end is double-edged. Arbitrary blades were also common.

Wooden scabbard covered with leather. In the 1890s such sheaths were made, covered with rubber. The metal device consists of a mouth, a nut and a tip. At the mouth with inside there is a bracket, and on the nut there is a ring for the pass belts of the harness: Since 1888, a special recess was made at the mouth for the bracket.

Overall length about 890 mm, blade length about 810 mm, blade width up to 23 mm, weight up to 1150 g.

In 1881, the checker replaced the cavalry, dragoon and infantry sabers and cuirassier broadswords for all officers and generals to whom they were assigned. However, in 1882, broadswords and sabers were left to four guards cuirassier regiments and two guards hussars, respectively, to be worn in peacetime with dress uniform. Checker arr. 1881/1909 was in service with all those officers and generals who had previously used the dragoon saber arr. 1881 Shashka was in service until the end of the existence of the Russian army.

The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a guard. The handle is wooden, with longitudinal inclined grooves. On the upper part of the handle there is a figured metal sleeve, on which an oval flat head is mounted on top. The guard is formed by the front bow, extending from the upper part of the handle and smoothly passing into the cross. The end of the cross has a hole, slightly bent down and rounded. On the lower part of the handle there is a figured metal sleeve. In 1909 the hilt was slightly changed. The inclination of the handle has increased, a thickening has appeared in its middle part.

The grooves on the handle became transverse and deeper. A floral ornament and the emperor's monogram appeared on the upper sleeve, during whose reign the owner of the weapon received the first officer rank. The head of the handle was made in the form of a curly rosette.

Description:

Antique edged weapons. Checker officer's dragoon model 1881/1909 Russian empire.

Dimensions: blade length with handle - 91.9 cm, blade length - 77.3 cm, blade width at the heel - 3 cm, sheath length - 77.7 cm.

Blade checkers steel, slight curvature, single-edged, with one wide and two narrow valleys along the butt. The combat end is two-bladed rhombic section. The tip is located on middle line. On the right side, on the heel of the blade, two letters "A" are engraved, one of them is under the crown. On the butt there is a stamp of the Zlatoust arms factory: “Gold. Or. Fabr." At the base of the blade on the right side is engraved the cypher of Emperor Nicholas II under the crown, on the left side - Russian coat of arms – double-headed eagle. The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a brass guard.

The handle of the checker is wooden, Brown color, with transverse grooves and thickening in the middle part. At the top of the handle there is a brass bushing, on top of which there is an oval head in the form of a rosette. The bushing is decorated with floral ornaments and the clogged cypher of the emperor, during whose reign the owner of this checker received his first officer rank. The symbol of imperial Russia has been erased because the saber was received by an officer during the reign of Emperor Nicholas II, but continued to be used after the overthrow of the Romanov dynasty. At the bottom of the handle there is a figured brass bushing. The guard is formed by the front bow, extending from the upper part of the handle and smoothly passing into the cross. The end of the cross has a hole for a lanyard, slightly bent down and rounded. On the left side of the crosspiece, the license plate "57" is stamped, on the right side - "608". there is a leather lining under the crosspiece.

The scabbard is wooden, covered with black leather. The brass device of the scabbard consists of a mouth, a nut and a tip. On the mouth on the inside there is a bracket, and on the nut there is a ring for the pass belt of the harness. The Dragoon officer's checker of the 1909 model was in service with officers and generals, who previously relied on the dragoon checker of the 1881 model. It was also used after 1917.

Dragoon officer's checker model 1909.

Vokak 05-02-2014 15:32

The dogs accidentally found a hiding place in the "family nest". The blankets in my hands immediately crumbled into dust. It was about 10 years ago. The wood on the bayonet handle also fell apart. Later, just wrapped it in leather.

Avotar 05-02-2014 16:30

in another section, you can sell faster, just put it up for sale there and don’t suffer:

Sexton 05-02-2014 17:29

At the same time, he shot back, personally hacked two, and stabbed the third, then requisitioned a three-ruler, left with Denikin with this saber, but realized that the saber should return to Russia, crawled for a long time on the ice of the Gulf of Finland, left the red patrols, hid in scaffolding - and finally hid it in the attic.
Not
The memory of the great-grandfather is not for sale!
I'm waiting for good offers.

maratha 02-06-2014 21:05

If my memory serves me, this topic was posted in the Antiques thread? There you could get all the answers you were interested in. But, if you have not received it, please state the question that interests you.

Let me remind you that a hidden (disguised) offer of sale is punishable by a ban. Just in case, I remind you of the rules of the section.

Vokak 02-06-2014 21:21

You are right, I will remove it from antiques.

Sexton 02-06-2014 22:19

And what, Vakak you generally want?
What do you need?
Formulate.

No one is happy to look at this item.
Among those who gather here, there are people with normal collections, whose walls are hung with premium Russian weapons.
One colleague, whom I periodically visit, seems to have 157 items, and there are no simple ones in principle.
Yes, and he is not the only one - maybe not everyone has a collection of under 200 copies, but there are very worthy items.

As an object, this checker will not surprise anyone here and is of no interest to anyone.
Because her blade is a deuce. Well, three. There is a deuce worse, I turned it down in the controversy. Monocotyledonous, with unexpressed edges of the valleys, most likely, without stamps at all, a private trader of the issue of the period of the beginning of the war.
Ephesus - Glory Moscow, at the same time, for some reason you are talking about the hilt crumbling in your hands. There, in fact, bakelite should be, not wood. This is not Chrysostom, and not Russia, and not Caucasian hilts.
Slava Moscow immediately released a hilt with a shank fitted to it. And she did not cut the black from wood, but cast it from Bakelite.
There are no scabbards.
The subject is the most ordinary and not interesting.

They themselves gave some kind of attribution, they themselves told about the history of the object, we will not talk about how reliable it looks.

foxbat 02-06-2014 22:32

Sexton - with all due respect, this smacks of obvious snobbery.

Everyone started somewhere, and people have different abilities, so there is no need to intimidate them with collections of hundreds of first-class copies.

So you can scare away a lot of interested beginners and nail the forum. After all, this is not a communication of "cool", and there are many relatively inexpensive items that are nevertheless interesting to someone.

I won’t say anything for this vehicle, maybe you wrote everything correctly, but let’s not forget that what is an “ordinary and uninteresting” object for someone, for another is the beginning of a collection and study.

Vokak 02-06-2014 22:33

maratha 02-06-2014 22:45

Dear Vokak, could you explain why you put these two items in this section?

quote: Originally posted by Ponomar:

What do you need from those gathered in the branch?

I did not hear the answer to the specific question posed. Voice, please, what you want to know on this thread of the forum?

kvd70 02-06-2014 22:49

judging by the flyast, the checker was moving or just going to. the legend is not very good. They really lie here whether they will approve the sale of a family heirloom, well, unless you are really starving. Perhaps that is why Panomar flared up.

foxbat 02-06-2014 22:58

What flared up a little, I have no problem, as I already wrote, but this should concern the vehicle, not the subject.

maratha 02-06-2014 23:18

The topic about the checker in "antiques" was closed back in 2013. See for yourself. What are the problems then? Maybe I'm in the wrong heading? It seems to be written - "Historical edged weapons" Did I put a samovar here?

I repeat:

quote: Originally posted by Marathi:

Please say what you want to know on this forum thread about the subject you have exhibited?

Vokak 02-06-2014 23:24

The topic in "antiques" was closed by me back in 2013 and has now been moved to a more logical one, i.e. in "Historical Edged Weapons". I want to hear VARIOUS opinions of experts on melee weapons. I want to discuss this subject. What, is it forbidden here?

kvd70 02-06-2014 23:38

OK. Judging by how crooked the hilt-blade looks, not native, from the selection (the bend of the shank is different from what it was before), the flash is new. Ephesus Slavovsky. If there is a letter "B" on the pommel from below, then it is possible that the hilt is completely native. The blade is possibly German, the Austrian on the heel has a characteristic rust, as it forms from a blucher under the ears, nickel residues are seen. If you clean it there, it may turn out to be a stigma. So far so. What is there to discuss.

kvd70 02-06-2014 23:40

A hint of a sale, as it were, also suggests that this is not a family thing.

maratha 02-06-2014 23:43

quote: Originally posted by Vokak:

I want to hear VARIOUS opinions of experts on melee weapons. I want to discuss this subject. What, is it forbidden?

Vokak, of course you can.

Despite the fact that in the Antiques branch, experts on Russian weapons told you in some detail about the subject, you can certainly talk about it here.

Just formulate, please, clearly the questions to which you want to receive answers.

foxbat 02-06-2014 23:49

quote: Originally posted by Marathi:

It is not entirely clear why you are exhibiting your item here if it has already been exhibited in the Antiques thread and discussed in detail there.

There are moments like this... I, for example, do not visit Antiques, or BB2, maybe some participants too... probably it makes sense to treat what is posted ON THIS forum as if there were no other forums? It seems to me so ... it's good that it's not for me to decide!

As for the purpose of placement - many simply bring objects here to show and hear opinions.

I will speak for myself... I posted one of my subjects here twice, because the first time it did not give any results... the group changed during this time, so I tried it again later.

I repeat that I do not know the intentions of the TS, but a cursory examination did not see a crime.

That's right... my two cents for the discussion... nothing more!

maratha 03-06-2014 12:00

quote: Originally posted by Foxbat:

This is so ... my two pennies in the discussion ... nothing more

Thanks for the "two cents". Nevertheless, occasionally going to Antiques, I saw answers on this subject from our colleagues from the IHO branch, who understand specifically Russian weapons. So I see no point in discussing the subject here. But, if the topicmaster clearly formulates the questions that interest him, I will not demolish the topic.

Vokak 03-06-2014 12:18

Lord!
I repeat. I want to hear DIFFERENT opinions, from different people. The discussion in "Antiques" did not suit me with its general answers. I decided that it would be more logical to place an ad in "Historical edged weapons". Is not it? I would be grateful for any opinions. I don't have specific questions. The decision to sell has NOT BEEN MADE!!! Dear Maratha, you are confusing me with your questions. I want to ask a counter question - "What do all other people want by placing their things here"? You torture everyone like that - "say what you want"? If you don't answer, you'll get banned! Something I didn't notice...

Sexton 03-06-2014 12:33

Especially for Foxbat.
I always talk at length about any Russian checker everything I know.
TC is a person who behaves incorrectly in the branches of the sale of antiques.

The incorrectness of his behavior lies in the fact that when selling, he uses fake nicknames that admire his items, and erases messages from people who write in his topics.

Its themes focus on selling items. Here he has the same goal.

There can be no different opinions on such an understandable subject.
And why listen to "different" opinions when there is a correct and clear attribution.
The usual "delivery", an attempt to sell through the demonstration of the subject.
What's incomprehensible here?
He does not want to know anything, otherwise he would behave differently.

Sexton 03-06-2014 12:37

By the way, if we discard my attitude towards the vehicle, which is expressed in the tone of the message, I very clearly attributed the subject.
By time (the first years of the war), by the manufacturer of the hilt (Slava Moscow), by the manufacturer of the blade (private trader without stamps), by the material of the handle (bakelite), by quality (cheap checker for a wartime officer), by the quality of the blade (3 to 5 -tibal scale). The fact that this is a Russian officer's checker of the sample of 1881 \ 1909, the TC already knows.

As for its origin, he himself has a legend.
About her location - too.

Well, what else can you say about her?

Saracen 03-06-2014 02:21

And I'm sorry for the blankets. Which are in ruins ... during the First World War.
And the dogs are so good! Trained on antique! I would like these.

gor200766 03-06-2014 06:37

quote: The incorrectness of his behavior lies in the fact that when selling, he uses fake nicknames that admire his items, and erases messages from people who write in his topics.

strange, but for some reason he deleted my admiring review of the Mosin bayonet, and I tried so hard ...

Vokak 03-06-2014 12:21

I'm sorry, gor200766. I was very sorry to delete your only fair post, but I had to do it, because. deleted the whole thread. I could not leave only one of your reviews, although I really wanted to. But you, as an honest person, can write it again .... I hope that you remember its text ?! I remember...

maratha 03-06-2014 12:25

Dear Vokak, I'm glad that you are reading the topic now. Please re-read post number 24. If you do not indicate the questions you are interested in on the subject, the topic will be demolished.

Vokak 03-06-2014 13:48

I wanted to show off, so I told the whole story of the find. I can’t decide to sell it, it’s a pity. Although I understand that I don’t need it at all. The checker lies in the closet behind all the hangers.)) Here I met rudeness, rudeness and snobbery. I even know why. At the same time I wanted to hear the opinions of experts, because. I myself am not. All my life I have played with other toys. But here, as I understand it, there are only a few people who know a little about the subject, the rest are lovers of freebies. I have a collection, I brought something from a business trip to the IRP, but it worries me a little. I prefer modern cold and modern hot. My thread, I think, can be closed. In any case, the "specialists" have already spoiled it all for me. Yes, and sell a checker, if I ever will, then definitely not here. I'm very sorry that yesterday I was drawn into your vicious whoredom... It doesn't look like me.

Vokak 03-06-2014 13:50

Well, Igorek. D (marath) from Astana, hang up your castle ......

moved from Historical melee weapons

maratha 03-06-2014 14:42

Dear Vokak, next time if you appear in the IHO section with topics similar to this one or the "blockade", where you allegedly "do not plan to sell anything", but you yourself are "confused in the testimony", then claiming that you want to hear the opinion of specialists, then that you wanted to boast, and you will behave in the same aggressively boorish manner, ignoring the questions of the participants and the moderator of the section, you will be banned indefinitely in the IHO section.

If you are ready to communicate normally, and you are actually interested in learning something about the items that you want to exhibit, you are welcome.

Vokak 03-06-2014 14:56

You listen to what you are talking about ...))) You say that I am writing - "I decided to show off my collection and find out the opinions of experts" !!! Is that forbidden?

maratha 03-06-2014 15:10

quote: Originally posted by Vokak:

I decided to show off my collection and get the opinions of experts

Forgive me, but one used checker is not a collection. Specialists have expressed their opinion on the subject to you (moreover, those who are best versed in the subject of Russian weapons).

What else do you want to know about the subject, you could not formulate. Although, you were asked about it.

quote: Originally posted by Vokak:

About the blockade, I thought that you would catch on, that this is not a melee weapon at all, but no one noticed it.)))) Here are the experts! Only for this it was possible to throw me out of the topic "XO".

Any bayonet is a weapon. I see the topic of IHO is far from you, since you write such nonsense.

You better keep barrygling for hours and wallets

Vokak 03-06-2014 16:31

maratha 03-06-2014 16:43

quote: Originally posted by Vokak:

And where is the word "to barry"? Replaced with "to do" Why is this?

As I wrote to you in P.M., I did it out of an innate sense of tact and culture. But, since you like that more precise term better, of course, I will return it.

Vokak 03-06-2014 16:45

LSP2013 05-06-2014 18:10

I propose to make hara-kiri with this saber and close the topic!

PRICE: 109 000 rub.
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Description: Dragoon artillery soldier's saber model 1881, Russia. Production of the Zlatoust arms factory. The blade is steel, slight curvature, single-edged, with one wide fuller on both sides. The combat end is double-edged. The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a brass guard. At the top of the handle there is a figured brass bushing, on top of it there is an oval, convex head. The shank of the blade on the head of the handle is tightened with a screw. At the bottom of the handle is a brass bushing. The guard is formed by the front bow, extending from the outer part of the handle and smoothly turning into a cross. The end of the cross has a hole for a lanyard, slightly bent down and rounded. The scabbard is wooden, covered with leather, with a brass device, consisting of a mouth, a holder with a ring for a belt and a tip. There are many production, registration and acceptance stamps on the blade, guard and scabbard device. Overall length 890 mm; blade length 760 mm; blade width at the base 30 mm. This type of checkers for cavalry and artillery was adopted in 1885 and remained in service until 1927. The checker of 1881 replaced the cavalry and dragoon sabers and cuirassier broadswords for all the lower ranks, who were given this weapon. However, in 1882 some guards cavalry units were left with broadswords and sabers to be worn in peacetime in full dress. The checker was in service until the end of the period under review. After the revolution checkers arr. 1881 were actively used in the years civil war armies of both sides, as well as during the Great Patriotic War. In 1881 - 1888. the scabbard was made with a deck for inserting a bayonet. The metal device of such a scabbard consisted of a mouth, two nuts (the lower one with a triangular bracket for the pass strap) and a tip. In 1888, instead of a deck, two nuts with bayonet sockets were added to the scabbard. In general, only the soldiers' checkers of the dragoon regiments had scabbards with devices for carrying a bayonet. In 1891, the triangular clip on the nut was replaced by a ring. The Zlatoust Arms Factory is an enterprise for the production of edged weapons for the needs of the Russian army and navy. Opened in December 1815. Initially, on the banks of the river. Ai was built several wooden buildings, which housed the main departments of the factory. The construction of the capital stone building of the weapons factory was completed in 1839. It was built according to the project of the chief architect of the Ural Mining Administration I. I. Sviyazev under the supervision of the architect of the Zlatoust factories F. A. Telezhnikov. To establish the production of edged weapons from Germany, German gunsmiths were invited. Subsequently, all production was carried out on your own. The factory had seven departments (steel, blade, scissor, hilt, decorated weapons, etc.), each of which was divided into several workshops. The weapons factory was an independent enterprise and was not formally part of the Zlatoust state-owned factory. As a rule, its director was the mining chief of the Zlatoust plants. The arms factory produced the most different kinds martial, fencing and hunting weapon: sabers, broadswords, checkers, swords, cleavers, daggers, daggers, pikes, espadrons and knives. From 1839 to 1860, cuirasses were also produced here. By the beginning of the XX century. the production of edged weapons was increased to 42 thousand units per year. Zlatoust edged weapons had high combat qualities and were known not only in Russia, but also abroad. It was exhibited at many World Exhibitions and was repeatedly awarded the most high awards. The Zlatoust Arms Factory was one of the best industrial enterprises in Russia on the organization of production. After 1917, the Arms Factory became one of the workshops of the Zlatoust mechanical plant(now JSC "Bulat"). The last mass batch of edged weapons at the former weapons factory was made in 1945 for the Victory Parade.

The blade is of steel, slight curvature, with one wide valley or two narrow lobes at the butt and a wide lob. The combat end is double-edged. Arbitrary blades were also common.

Wooden scabbard covered with leather. In the 1890s such sheaths were made, covered with rubber. The metal device consists of a mouth, a nut and a tip. There is a bracket on the mouth on the inside, and on the nut there is a ring for the pass belts of the harness: Since 1888, a special recess was made on the mouth for the bracket.

Overall length about 890 mm, blade length about 810 mm, blade width up to 23 mm, weight up to 1150 g.

In 1881, the checker replaced the cavalry, dragoon and infantry sabers and cuirassier broadswords for all officers and generals to whom they were assigned. However, in 1882, broadswords and sabers, respectively, were left to four guards cuirassier regiments and two guards regiments to be worn in peacetime in full dress. Checker arr. 1881/1909 was in service with all those officers and generals who had previously used the dragoon saber arr. 1881 Shashka was in service until the end of the existence of the Russian army.

The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a guard. The handle is wooden, with longitudinal inclined grooves. On the upper part of the handle there is a figured metal sleeve, on which an oval flat head is mounted on top. The guard is formed by the front bow, extending from the upper part of the handle and smoothly passing into the cross. The end of the cross has a hole, slightly bent down and rounded. On the lower part of the handle there is a figured metal sleeve. In 1909 the hilt was slightly changed. The inclination of the handle has increased, a thickening has appeared in its middle part.

The grooves on the handle became transverse and deeper. A floral ornament and the emperor's monogram appeared on the upper sleeve, during whose reign the owner of the weapon received the first officer rank. The head of the handle was made in the form of a curly rosette.

Steel, brass, forging, casting, etching, gilding. Overall length - 971 mm; blade length - 823 mm; width at the heel - 34 mm. Damascus blade, steel of slight curvature, single-edged, with one narrow fuller. The combat end is double-edged. The letter "P" is engraved on the outer side of the blade at the heel. The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a brass guard. Cast brass handle. At the top of the handle there is a figured brass bushing, on top of which there is an oval rosette. On the crosspiece on both sides is engraved "For Courage". The sleeve is decorated with a floral ornament and the monogram of Emperor Nicholas II. Russia, early 20th century.

Steel, brass, leather, forging. Overall length - cm; blade length - cm; blade width at the heel - 3 cm. The blade is steel, single-edged, with a slight death, with one wide fuller and two narrow lobes along the butt, the fighting end is double-edged. On the blade at the heel there are hallmarks in the form of the letters "A" and "A" under the crown. In the upper part of the blade on the inside is the cypher of Emperor Nicholas II - N II; from the outside - the image of the coat of arms Russian Empire. In the upper part of the blade, on the butt, the inscription "GOLD. OR. FABR." (Zlatoust Arms Factory) is engraved. This saber has a slightly corroded blade, slight damage to the blade. The hilt consists of a handle with a head and a brass guard. The handle is wooden, with longitudinal inclined grooves and a slight thickening in the middle part. At the top of the handle there is a figured brass sleeve, on which there is an oval head decorated with an ornament in the form of a rosette. On the sleeve there is a monogram H II. At the bottom of the handle is a brass bushing. The guard is formed by the front bow extending from the upper part of the handle and smoothly passing into the cross. On the cross there is a brand: "A" on the crown. The end of the cross has a hole for a lanyard, slightly bent down and rounded. Wooden scabbard covered with leather. The brass device consists of a mouth with a bracket, a nut with a ring and a tip. There are small cracks in the lower part of the scabbard, on the outer side, near the tip and on the end. Russia, late 19th-early 20th century.

Article title: DRAGON OFFICER SHASHKA 1881 and 1881/1909 Theme category: Date of writing the article: 2010-06-30 Articles used in writing this article: Orders for the military department 1881 No. 151 222; 1882 No. 55 1909 No. 102. A.N. Kulinsky, Russian edged weapons of military naval and civil ranks 1800-1917 Gelos